Group 2C-E overdose leaves one dead, ten hospitalized

education fail.

From what I read in the paper, they divided up at least a gram on a table into 6 approximately equal lines as long as a lighter and a quarter the width. They gave the kid who died the first choice of a line since he just turned 19. If it was exactly one gram and all lines were equal, that would be about 160mg per line ... MASSIVELY overdose from what I have read. Further, they clearly were not equal [and the "dealer" had 9 grams left on his person in a vial, so that is what they tested]. It did test as 2C-E. From what I have read, the dose curve is sort of exponential, so 20mg is a large does for most people and probably 10 times that for this kid [and some alcohol] was clearly more than enough to send him over the top.

I can only imagine the hell those kids went through that night. That's why you don't fuck around with things you don't know shit about.

Supposedly it has been confirmed as 2C-E now.

Hopefully, and I think probably, it is MDPV. Some eyewitness accounts of the kid banging his head against the wall etc. beforehand. MDPV sounds ridiculously easy to OD on given that its active in the 5-10mg range. As opposed to banning any RCs as I am, if there was ever one that should be banned, sounds like MDPV would be a good first candidate.

And... the Huffington Post calls it 2C-1. There's a new one for you. [link]

An AP article states: However, officials caution that they have not yet received confirmation from the state crime lab of what compound was ingested. [link]

A Reuters article today listed the substance as 2C-I. Now I don't know what is going on. [link]

internet chatter - might have actually been MDPV

20-25mg heavy dose orally ingested, 10mg heavy dose snorted... can't be doing dips and bumps with this shit, kids...

here we go again. buy your 2cs now while you still can.

bunch of stupid kids. youd have to take a ridiculous amount to overdose on 2ce. worst thing is that they will blame this on the drug and we will see 2ce made illegal here pretty soon. sad day :( i love 2ce myself.

Most of them probably THOUGHT they were dying due to inexperience with hallucinogens of this type. The one person who DID die, I'm willing to bet ingested more than just 2c-e.

they ordered it over the internet...? chit is weird.

I'm curious how the state identified the drug in question. Did they simply take the kids word on what it was? Because even if the state used LC/MS for identification it can only say so much. Hell even FT-IR or Raman spectroscopy won't tell you anything about isomers. As far as I'm concerned unless they took an NMR then they have no idea what compound it is.
Sorry, I'm chemist but I get pissed when people show only a mass spectrum or chromatograph as data and then call it a day.

My thoughts:

If you're going to take a drug that you have to weigh out (i.e. not a pill that has already been pressed, or a gel-cap that someone else has weighed for you), know the recommended dosing of the drug and be able to properly use a scale.

The recommended dosing for most drugs can be found by searching on the Internet. Wikipedia can probably help.

Knowing how to use a scale is just a matter of practice. If you are going to take a drug that measures in the milligrams (e.g. recommended dose is less than, say, 200 mg), you should really have a scale with 0.001g precision. Most scales sold at head shops and such have either 0.1 or 0.01g precision. What this means is that they cannot measure increments of less than 0.1g (100mg) or 0.01g (10mg). Why does this matter? If you need to weigh out 50mg of powder, you cannot reliably do this with a 0.1g scale. It will just read 0 until it gets up somewhere between 50mg and 150 mg, then it will read 0.1. Likewise, if you need to weigh out 25mg, you cannot do this with a 0.01g scale. It will just read 0.02 until you get somewhere between 25 and 35, and then it will read 0.03. Now, you might say, "Well, that's fine. I meant to get 25, and I got somewhere between 25 and 35. That's pretty close. No it's not. If you meant to get 25, and you really got 35, you got 40% more drug than you wanted. Some drugs are not very dose-sensitive, and you would be okay. Some drugs are very dose-sensitive, and you would OD or at least have a very, very bad (or maybe good!) time.

A milligram (0.001g) scale can be purchased over the Internet for about $150 to $200. If you are going to measure out drugs in the 5-25mg range, you should definitely get one of these, or you should know that you are taking risks with your dosing. Even if you are measuring out drugs in the 100mg range, like MDMA, a milligram scale is useful, although a 0.01g scale is acceptable. Read the reviews on the scales, because some are better than others. It would be best to go to a web site that specializes in scientific instruments (like scales), because their reviews will probably be more reliable.

DO NOT THINK THAT YOU CAN ESTIMATE MEASUREMENT OF POWDERED DRUGS BY MEASURING OUT A LARGE DOSE, AND THEN DIVIDING IT INTO PILES OR CUTTING IT INTO LINES AND SLICING UP THE LINE. THIS IS NOT ACCURATE. IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE ME, BORROW SOMEONE'S MILLIGRAM SCALE AND SEE FOR YOURSELF WITH SOME FLOUR OR POWDERED SUGAR. Again, if you're going to do this with a drug that doses large and/or is not very dose-sensitive, like cocaine, you're probably fine. If you try to do this with a drug that doses small and is very dose sensitive, you are taking a big risk.

If you are considering taking a drug that doses in the 1-3 mg range, like, say, DOB, do not attempt to measure this on even a milligram scale. Consumer-grade milligram scales cannot provide the required accuracy and precision to reliably dose in that range. I know, they're called a milligram scale, so shouldn't they have 1 mg accuracy? Well, if you paid less than, say, $500 for your scale, it doesn't. Suck it up. The only way to reliably dose drugs that small outside of a laboratory is to dilute the drug in a solvent to a known concentration, and then divide up the solution. This is one reason why LSD (which doses in the micrograms) is never sold as a powder or a crystal. If you don't know what I mean by, "dilute the drug in a solvent to a known concentration..." then stop, do not pass go, do not attempt this process, because you are likely to overdose somebody. Do some reasearch on bluelight.ru and figure it out.

Finally, realize that there is no guarantee that you are getting what you think you're getting, even if you are buying research chemicals from a lab, and not off the street. There was a case a while back when a Chinese lab shipped out a bunch of stuff that was supposed to be 2C-B-FLY, but it was really bromo-dragonfly, which doses MUCH smaller, and a bunch of people died. You can read more about it here:

[link]

If you want to be really rigorous, the way to deal with an unknown substance is to assay it. Start with a tiny, tiny dose, that is almost certain to be non-active, like, say, 100 micrograms (okay, if it's LSD, you're going to trip, but other than that, you're probably fine). Take that dose and see what happens. If nothing happens, in a couple of days, take a larger dose, like, say, 200 mcg. Continue. Work your way up to a threshold dose, where you just start to feel effects, and check and see if that is consistent with the chemical you think you're taking. This takes time, which is why most people don't do it, but it's the only safe way to take an unknown substance.

Oh, and BTW, how do you get that 100 mcg dose to start your assaying, if you've only got a milligram scale? Again, dilute and divide, but you knew that.

these kids must have either gotten a bad batch or a mislabeled product. i personally know people can eat 100's upon 100's of milligrams of 2c-e and be fine. i wish reporters would actually do a little research into what they write. like telling us if they were on anything else would be nice. in the actual article the drug guy messed up too lol. t7 IS illegal and regulated :p

wow what a mess. I have never done 2ce but I know people saying they where vomiting after a nights use.

RC's in the hands of young kids with no scales = Recipe for disaster.

i wish i knew what dosages these kids had taken. i'm assuming they eyeballed their doses though.

...dose?

And about the "it's sad so many people use a chemical with no known medical value " : holly s*§$t : climbing a mountain or go swimming is of no medical value at all, but people do that !!

Ten at once among which one died ? Was that actual 2C-E or a mislabeled bag of lime from China ? Seriously, is there a chance we can know the dosage ? A heavy dose of 2C-E is, from my knowledge, around 20 mg : it's fairly easy to overdose if you have a whole gram of powder and share it with 9 friends without a very precise lab-grade scale. Anyway, I hope we'll know more.