DEA issues ban on JWH-018 and other synthetic cannabinoids

What about salvia? I tried some of that and I felt like my soul was flipping. It only lasted a couple minutes but once I was able to overcome my fears and the intense feelings, I felt triumphant. Also I never wanted to touch that again and I never have. But I just don't get it cause if you have enough money for health insurance and the copay and all that you can get whatever the hell you want.

I really don't get it, neither does anyone who can produce a coherent thought.

Now all this is doing is making the decent people who do what they want as long as it doesnt hurt anyone afraid of both the criminals (bad guys) AND the cops. We gotta run from everyone now. WtF IS THIS?

Seriously, anyone who says this stuff is dangerous is making a decision for you. That is a form of mind control. Some people can handle it so its obviously NOT dangerous.

This is the same level of stupidity as that idiot who spilled her coffee on herself at mcdonalds and sued because it was hot. I just can't imagine the mindset.

I thought that the decision makers were getting smarter and evolving recognising this as a health issue, not a public safety issue. If these drugs make you so crazy how come out of ALL of the people who apparently have tried or done it, you never see any of them freaking out and running around the street????? Only thing that does that is crack and mental issues. So whats the danger in this other stuff? Plus, those guys that "freak out" on this stuff look like heavy drug users, lower class morons, or just idiots.

Again... WTF?!?!?

As far as jwh goes, well, its synthetic pot alright and Ive used it. it works. So, they want to ban it. Of course.

Now, the issue is not why they are banning jwh 18. They ban it because pot is banned. The issue is simple to understand; why is pot illegal? because

And to those who will say im a "braindeader" well, to you bill

Marijuana has been used for a long time all over the world. There is therefore a slight chance that none of your ancestors used any form of weed in all their lives. Im not going to go on about how wonderful marijuana is like the hippies did about acid. The fact is people like to get high. Alcohol is indeed harmful, drunk drivers kill people regularly. Mothers drink while pregnant and harm children tremendously. What birth defects are caused by marijuana bill? Im a... braindeader, yet it is you, and the others in the "majority" whos logic is faulty.
What medical usage does tobacco have, bill?
Yet the Majority, in all of their infallible wisdom, has deemed tobacco, and alcohol acceptible and marijuana is demonized, and thrown in the same bin as crack smack and crank.

NOV 24 -- WASHINGTON, D.C. – The United States Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) is using its emergency scheduling authority to temporarily control five chemicals (JWH-018, JWH-073, JWH-200, CP-47,497, and cannabicyclohexanol) used to make “fake pot” products. Except as authorized by law, this action will make possessing and selling these chemicals or the products that contain them illegal in the U.S. for at least one year while the DEA and the United States Department of Health and Human Services (DHHS) further study whether these chemicals and products should be permanently controlled.

A Notice of Intent to Temporarily Control was published in the Federal Register today to alert the public to this action. After no fewer than 30 days, DEA will publish in the Federal Register a Final Rule to Temporarily Control these chemicals for at least 12 months with the possibility of a six-month extension. They will be designated as Schedule I substances, the most restrictive category, which is reserved for unsafe, highly abused substances with no medical usage.

That's pushing the definition of "petroleum-based" a little, don't you think?

Acetone is an organic compound found fairly widely. It is commonly prepared from propylene, which is commonly prepared from commercial hydrocarbons -- but then again, many things are prepared from propylene, including some fairly common food additives. It is unlikely that industrial acetone would be prepared with the same "care" that food and pharmaceutical additives are made... but still, characterizing it as "petro based" doesn't really mean anything, considering how many commonly consumed materials are also "petro based."

If you're going to question its safety, it would be better to speak more to how and where it is manufactured, as oppose to "where it comes from."

Acetone is a naturally occurring molecule, found in many living systems. In fact, it is found endogenously in the human body, as part of normal metabolism. There are even studies going on now with diets designed to increase the quantity of ketones found in the body to combat certain physical aliments.

And of course, it is highly volatile, so little acetone (if any) would be expected to be found in a material, provided that nothing stupid was done.

USP and pharmaceutical-grade acetone is used widely in the preparation of materials intended for human consumption. Really, any risk associated with it comes from contaminants, but (as I said above) this is a separate issue from it being a "petro-based chemical."

In the event that all the acetone has not evaporated or if the acetone leaves behind any petroleum residue on the plant material then this could be harmful if smoked. It could create harmful fumes.... However there is a way to infuse the plant material with the synthetic compounds without using any harmful petroleum products whatsoever.

"The American public looks to the DEA to protect its children and communities from those who would exploit them for their own gain."

Huh? Really?

Can I see a show of hands from those who would characterize the DEA as a group who would exploit our communities for their own gain?

That's what I thought.

I don't see how the DEA can protect us from the DEA. Seems like a bit of a systemic conflict of interest.

This is simply not true.

In US v. Forbes (1992), US district court established the precedent that, in addition to an intent for consumption, a substance must be structurally similar to a controlled substance and have a similar effect (or be represented as such) to be considered an analog. Before that, it was asserted that something could be an analog if it had the effects of an illegal drug (or was presented as such) or had a similar structure. In other words, they established the requirement that the chemical structures need to be related.

The chemical structure of the current synthetic cannabinoids is not substantially similar to real cannabinoids, so it is unlikely that they could be prosecuted via the analog laws, even if they were sold explicitly for the purpose of human consumption.

Here's the thing, people...don't get too terribly bent out of shape and upset about them banning a certain few synths...Doesn't anybody remember the 2C series? 2CI and 2CE are still legal because the government got tired of chasing their tails. The same thing is going to happen with this. They'll outlaw as many as they can, but when they do, 6 more will pop up in their place.

Oh, and Acetone has nothing to do with people getting sick. People get sick from JWH 018 and 73, etc because they don't know jack about it and go out and buy the pure chems thinking that when they cover the top of the bowl of "Herbal Incense" with it that it's just like putting hash on weed...right, in a way...wrong in the fact that the majority of the synthetic cannabinoids that are out there are 30+ times as strong as THC, and people don't take that into consideration. You can have a panic attack from smoking too much reefer too, I've seen it happen.

Marijuana, of course is completely safe, as shown by its widespread use without problematic side effects. If weed was legal, dangerous synthetics wouldn't show up on the market. Once again the DEA treats the symptoms not the cause, making things worse (cost + arrests) for everybody.