Reason: 'The Salvia Ban Wagon'

perhaps he meant to say selegiline, never heard of it either
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@grim a yahoo and a google search turned up nothing for Segelizine. Either it's not a real drug, or pretty much no one knows about it. SO I don't think it's going to be the next thing to be banned.

Nah the next drug to get banned is Segelizine. Only segelizine citrate is 99% pure, but we cant get it. Segelizine is an ergot derivative and I can just see the news reports. Once you say its where LSD is derived from and everyone start taking it. It seems that methamphetamine is a byproduct of its synthesis. The dirtyest stuff is given to dogs and cats. I saw it listed on petmeds, lmao. The new ketamine I guess. But opposite effects. If you know a vet, then there's your segelizine source. Nootropic. Yeah but how like MDMA and EVE were published in omni in the late 80's as smart drugs. A few years back kids were taking prednisone as a club drug. Freaking idiots.

@ bill:

your wise words were buried. I'm 100% in agreement with what you said about Salvia, making it unavailable or less freely available will only encourage more misuse of it, though. Frequent lack of marijuana has developed a dependency on cigarettes for me, and you're right - I considered buying salvia once or twice as the dry period began. If I had learned everything on it through the mainstream media instead of experience, I would probably have started trying it at the worst possible time.

I'm more or less with "bill" on this one. I don't favor legislation or the hysterical mentality that's been pervading of late, but I think I actually would prefer to see it driven back underground again. Simply put, the sage isn't for amateurs or for idiots mucking about.

As a quote I once read put it (and I might've read it here, in fact): "Some people are just born to huff toilet cleaner to get high. Others were meant to use plant technology to unfold the structure of reality."

Salvia is a wild an unpredictable thing when smoked. Just a pinch between cheek and gum however, and your world becomes a peaceful, swirly place. You didn't read that here, tho.

People should be scared (or, "respectful") of Salvia, it shouldn't be so easy to get. I had smokeable extract just dumped in an order of something else, as a bonus I hadn't chosen. I tried smoking it for the first time after it had been sitting around for months, assuming it was a typical "legal high" (yes, I read up on it, but who would've believed that at the time, OF COURSE they'd say it was for real...). I had a surprising, not pleasant experience, but eventually I was convinced that I hadn't approached it right, tried again (liquid extract), and things were less out of control, but still, it was just a deeper experience, and not something that would be useful for a lot of people, mixed-up teens in particular.

I think people are turning to it because they can't get marijuana, and that is a recipe for disaster in the case of some of those people.

People on the edge, or under abusive pressure, or whatever, and just want to relax, they don't necessarily need Salvia to work things through. It might work for some, but... I wouldn't blame the kid. Not everybody wants to be a shaman (or a sham man, for that matter). It'd be better if it was just some obscure thing that people who were really into psychoative stuff might stumble upon, or would have to hunt down. Not necessarily illegal (although outlawing use by minors probably wouldn't hurt), but not a go-to money-maker for people capitalizing pot's illegality.

I highly recommend psychedelic salon episode number 087, about Daniel Siebert and Salvia Divinorum. If anyone wants it but cannot find it, ask me for a link, I can put it online for you.

Myself I was actually predisposed to insanity and violence/suicide until using the drug taught me about reincarnation. That's where the name "divinorum" comes from, "Diviner's" sage, it has a way of teaching you things you didn't expect to know. So it had the opposite effects on me that everyone is afraid of, like that dead kid in (Michigan?) I used to rip on. He made me mad, if he was asking the right questions on Salvia and dealing with the answers he could have fared as well as the rest of us.