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Don't stab yourself while tripping

I recently came across an article on Don Ausman, a 22-year-old college student who stabbed himself in the chest while tripping on Hawaiian Baby Woodrose seeds. The article is your typical news item about the dangers of legal hallucinogens like Salvia, but it made me wonder how often people on psychedelics try to stab themselves. There is an article from last year about a man who stabbed himself in the neck with a broken bottle while doing mushrooms, and I recently heard an account of a Pacific Northwest group ayahuasca session where one of the participants (a veteran brew drinker) sliced his stomach open with a knife while high.

Until I read the story about the man who stabbed himself in the neck broke last year I had never heard of anyone trying to cut or stab themselves while tripping; now it is like a trend. Unlike jumping from a high place, which is attributed to people thinking they can fly, stabbing yourself is a very violent method of reality testing that does not compute with the popular notion of the psychedelic experience. I would like to think behavior like this only happens in cases of overdose when the subject goes completely psychotic, but there is no way to know for sure. Although it is impossible to say where this stabbing urge comes from, it is a good activity to put on the list of "things not to try" when you are tripping. Stabbing yourself may seem like a good idea at the time, but really it isn't. Don't do it.

Posted By jamesk at 2009-06-02 11:56:37 permalink | comments
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z. : 2009-08-06 11:57:44
I felt very strong urge to cut the skin between my middle and ring finger while tripping on 8 Hawaiian Baby Woodrose seeds. For some reason I believed it was the right thing to do and that I was in some ancient Aztek ritual.

Didn't get as far as actually doing it, but it was a weird experience.

Caduceus. : 2009-06-09 04:05:50
In 1980 Stanislav Grof already warned about this and explained why this phenomenon (deliberately hurting oneself) sometimes occurs. It's nothing new, and there's nothing mysterious about it.
You can read about it in his book "LSD Psychotherapy". Events like the ones described in the above article stress why it is so important to always have a sober sitter nearby, even if you're an experienced user.
Synchronium.net. : 2009-06-04 08:39:16
Velveteen:

#4 That car is probably real.

Josep Yao. : 2009-06-03 00:17:29
I am very impressed by the first post. Well said, and alan watts was indeed a wise man.
DJ Velveteen. : 2009-06-02 17:19:21
THE RULES

1. Water drowns
2. Fire burns
3. You cannot fly.

You'd think these would be good enough general rules, but hell - why not add "blood stays on the inside?"

sniii. : 2009-06-02 15:32:38
"Its better to be dead, then dyin in pain"
Silas. : 2009-06-02 13:09:01
Strangely, although I've never tried or been anywhere close to realizing an actual self-stabbing, fear of stabbing myself (or more generally, loss of control) seems to be a persistent fear during my trips, once to the extent that I made my sitter remove all the knives from my drawers and put them somewhere safe for fear I would be overtaken and do the deed.
Anonymous. : 2009-06-02 13:00:30
From the article:

"The legal loopholes provided by unregulated plants has frustrated police.

A Michigan State Police drug enforcement unit received a tip last year about a Central Michigan University student selling marijuana. But when police questioned the student, he said the dried leaves weren't pot, but salvia he ordered online, police said. "Since it's legal in Michigan right now, there's nothing we could do," said Lt. Melvin Mathews, with the Bay Area Narcotics Enforcement Team."

Because, of course, nothing frustrates police more than not being able to arrest people. "being legal" is just a great big gaping loophole that should be closed as soon as possible. Imagine! People doing legal things! The obvious remediation is to make sure those things are made horribly, insanely illegal, preferably a felony with harsh minimum sentencing standards. That'll close that pesky "legality" loophole!

Hats off to the boys in blue.

Anonymous. : 2009-06-02 12:51:06
Yes, it may actually be a trend.

For a long time it's been a bit of a truism -- perhaps to the point of cliché -- to say that those embedded in modern culture lack the knowledge, training, and cultural background to relate to the types of deeply personal experience that can be engendered with psychedelics. Alan Watts went so far to say that the West's biggest taboo was against "knowing who you are."

It may have been true in the 60's when Watts said it, but it's probably even truer today. Even what little skill and knowledge we may have en masse about the deeply interior may be being quickly eroded. We are so awash with the outside that we're loosing what little relationship we have with the inside. Perhaps we're so clueless that we're stabbing ourselves and don't know any better once we hit those interior places.

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