Countdown to 2012: please, make the hurting stop

I could easily see society collapsing. There are so many people freaked out about 2012, I'd say it's almost sure to happen. All it would take would be about 5% of the people to go nuts and start doing their best end-o'-times routine to completely collapse western culture. I'm guessing about 30-40% (at least) believe in some sort of mumbo-jumbo whether it be from their religion or whatever that calls for some sort of doomsday. If only 2% of an already unstable mob of boobs (the afore mentioned 30-40%) goes completely bat-turd insane then we've easily got more than the 5% needed to put a halt to civilization as we know it.

Yep. The 2012 doomsday thing is virtually guaranteed just because people are so darn stupid.
I personally don't subscribe to mumbo-jumbo but I have seen people riot over seats at a concert, ball games, and arrests so I can imagine it'll get pretty interesting with so many folks believing some thing's going to happen. Should be a helluva show.

I've got to find some way to profit off my flaky acquaintances who're getting all hyped on this. Oddly enough, so far no one wants to get in one the idea of a heavy bet that IT will have made itself plain by the end of 2012.

Pinchbeck et al. better start thinking of a way out of the trap / career death they've set for themselves. It'll be amusing.

"Why work to change reality today when we can wait for 2012 to force change on us? That is religious do-nothing salvation and rapture talk cloaked in Mayan cosmology, nothing more." - jamesk

"I think nature and the courses it has taken will again work in subtle yet immensely powerful ways that will be beyond our comprehension or even perception for a long time." - kilrari

i agree with both these points.

i tend to think that something MIGHT happen, but if so, it probably won't be as obvious as everyone wants to think. maybe to a select ultra perceptive few...i dunno.

but the greater point is that it's silly to spend so much time sitting around and speculating about the future since it doesn't even exist...especially when you could be cultivating your own internal changes RIGHT NOW. and hey, then if something crazy happens, at least you won't have sat around lazily and glaze-eyed just waiting for it.

Everyone is changing all the time. Coupled with all the time sensitive events happening in our world, the factor of self fulfilling phrophecy, astronomical events, and the huge prevalence of zombies begining to wake up saying "Who Am I" and "what the F&^k is going on"

Oh james, you just don't get it!

The change you talk of is not True Change. 2012, now that, my friend, will be The True Change.

You'll see ... just wait.

Didn't we just have a huge change? Aren't things changing all the time? We just had the largest financial collapse in history and elected a black man to lead the free world. The Mayans and McKenna's TimeWave Zero software predicted none of these "novel" events. The world is changing, it is true. Looking to a future date and ignoring the massive novelty changes happening today is a form of teleological denial. Why work to change reality today when we can wait for 2012 to force change on us? That is religious do-nothing salvation and rapture talk cloaked in Mayan cosmology, nothing more.

If all 2012 turns out to be is a self-fulfilling prophecy (lots of people think there's gonna be a huge change and it turns out to be so as a result), that's okay by me.

But hey, we *are* going to run out of IPv4 addresses sometime around 2010-2014 unless we get off our asses and implement IPv6, and 2012 has enough hype attached to it that it's a good date to predict the end of the Internet world as we know it.

On the other hand, kilrari's and mateo's plans for getting high that day don't sound too bad either.

Excellent point Gwyllm!

This is all just marketing for the upcoming Roland Emmerich film ...

Last time I checked, the Mayans were still there.

I'll be taking shot glasses of LSD and waiting on my roof for the mothership. Joking aside, an apocalyptic event in the sense of something so world-shattering and obvious may not be what 2012 is all about. I can already feel the cultural hype around me about 2012 building, but I think nature and the courses it has taken will again work in subtle yet immensely powerful ways that will be beyond our comprehension or even perception for a long time.

there is no proof that the mayans did/did not predict thier own "extinction", we have no idea what happened to them, they just disappeared, shit they could have been taken to their "heaven" by their "gods", but thats neither here nor there...all i know is on December 21, 2012 ill be smoking spliffs listening to LEGEND: Marley and the Wailers