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New Psychedelic: What is Molly Paper?

While browsing news items I ran across this interesting clip from Canton, North Carolina, about a new psychedelic drug called "Molly Paper". To me it looks just like a hit of acid, but the news report says it's "...more potent than LSD and ecstasy combined", whatever that means. It also says the drug comes from Florida, can make you paranoid and hostile, and 3 milligrams can make you trip for up to thirty hours. Sounds like a Dave Nichols designer. Any guesses what this is?

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seven7seven. : 2010-10-15 12:58:23
DOI has been found on blotter paper, and it definitely fits the description. DOM is unlikely, could also be DOB, or DOC but could really be anything. "Molly" usually refers to MDMA (exstacy) which is most definitely not on blotter paper as the dose is too large (100-200mg). All signs point to a 2,4,5-substituted psychedelic amhetamine (DOB, DOC, DOI, etc...). Check Pihkal for more info...
flippingOVERturtlesISwrong. : 2010-09-20 03:28:24
JUST STOP punishing these slow creatures.............. OH YEAH hey zebra rapist! WHY NOT MAN GET SOME!!!!!!!
dax. : 2009-02-02 08:50:50
...i remember homemade DOM in montreal 1978 - purple blotters, clearly in the milligram range, bitter and with a blob of dried purple bulging the middle of a 1cm chonk of thick blotting paper. dax
freedoses. : 2009-01-28 00:58:47
jenkem all the way!
guest. : 2008-09-06 14:00:51
the substance that jamesk inquired about is officially called #64 DOC. no lsd, sorry.
Lefont. : 2008-07-30 13:01:29
Hmm, there are reports of a new class of 'phenethylamine' like drugs. "Bromo Dragonfly" (street name) check erowid.
candyman. : 2008-07-26 20:23:14
#64 DOC

2,5-DIMETHOXY-4-CHLOROAMPHETAMINE


SYNTHESIS: A solution of 6.96 g 2,5-dimethoxyamphetamine hydrochloride (2,5-DMA) in 250 mL H2O was made basic with aqueous NaOH and extracted with 3x75 mL CH2Cl2. After removal of the solvent from the pooled extracts under vacuum, the residual free base was dissolved in 36 g glacial acetic acid and, with good stirring, cooled to 0 °C with an external ice bath. There was then added, with a Pasteur pipette, 3 mL of liquid chlorine. The generation of HCl was evident, and the reaction was allowed to stir for an additional 3 h. The mixture was then poured into 300 mL H2O and washed with 3x100 mL Et2O. The aqueous phase was made basic with NaOH and extracted with 3x150 mL CH2Cl2. After removal of the solvent from the pooled extracts, the residue was dissolved in Et2O and saturated with anhydrous HCl gas. There was the formation of a heavy oily precipitate. The ether supernatent was decanted, and the residue was intimately mixed with 200 mL of fresh anhydrous Et2O. Everything set up as an off-white crystalline mass weighing 2.3 g. This was dissolved in 12 mL of boiling MeOH and diluted with 230 mL boiling Et2O. The clear solution was quickly filtered to give a clear, pale amber mother liquor, which soon started depositing lustrous white crystals. After filtering, Et2O washing, and air drying to constant weight, there was obtained 1.4 g of 2,5-dimethoxy-4-chloroamphetamine hydrochloride (DOC) From the mother liquors (from the original HCl saturation) an equal amount of product could be obtained by exploiting the acetone insolubility of the hydrochloride salt of the product. The published mp of this salt, from acetone/EtOH, is 187-188 °C. A sample of this hydrochloride salt, prepared from the amino analogue via diazotization and eventual hydrolysis of an acetylated precursor, was recrystallized from EtOH/ether and had a mp of 193-194.5 °C.

DOSAGE: 1.5 - 3.0 mg.

DURATION: 12 - 24 h.

QUALITATIVE COMMENTS: (with 1.6 mg) I was hit with a slightly light head; the effects were quite real. I was disconnected, and somehow spacey, but this was a favorable spacey which was kind of fun. Somewhere at about the sixth hour I realized that I was beginning to drop off a bit, but six hours later yet, there was still a lot of memory. This is a long thing.

(with 2.4 mg) This is what I might call an archetypical psychedelic. Everything is there in spades, with few if any of the subtle graces, the `gentle images' and `gentle fantasies' of the 2-carbon phenethylamines. This is the works. There are visuals, and there are interpretive problems with knowing just where you really are. The place where nothing makes sense, and yet everything makes sense. I have just slept for a few hours, and now I am awake and it has been eighteen hours, and there is a lot still going on, although I have a relaxed, good feeling. Anyone who uses this had better have 24 hours at their disposal.

(with 2.4 mg) Here I am at the sixth hour, and I am still roaring along at a full plus three. I have established that this material is neither anti-erotic nor anorexic. The body is very comfortable, and so is the mind. There is an interesting aspect, perhaps peculiar only to this experiment and under these conditions. With my eyes closed the fantasy is a completely dark screen, lovely and seductive, subtle, and yet light must be deliberately brought in. This is not in any way negative for being in the dark, but is just unusual. I will have to try this in the daylight next time, to see what the eyes-closed brings to the mind-screen. At 24 hours, I have found that my sleep was not too great. My dreams were tight, and I kept defending against trouble; the nervous system was too alert. I was in a good humor, though, and I still am. This is excellent stuff, but start early in the day.

EXTENSIONS AND COMMENTARY: It is clear that the three halo-amphetamine derivatives, DOI, DOB and DOC, are all pretty much of the same potency. And all of them very long lived. The difference between the various halogen atoms was brought up under the 2C-C discussion. DOC is clearly a long-lasting, dyed-in-the-wool psychedelic.

In the making of this, by the procedures that have been followed in Canada, there are two chemical intermediates which might, some day, be looked at as potential psychedelics under their own colors. Reduction of the compound that is called DON in this Book II (2,5-dimethoxy-4-nitroamphetamine hydrochloride) with Pd/charcoal and hydrogen, gives the 4-amino derivative. This is 2,5-dimethoxy-4-aminoamphetamine dihydrochloride, DOA, which melts at 248-250 °C. And the reduction of an oxime intermediate gives rise to the acetamido analogue, 2,5-dimethoxy-4-acetamidoamphetamine hydrochloride, DOAA, with a mp of 249-250 °C. Neither compound has been tasted, but someday this omission will be corrected. DOA and DOAA have a sinister ring to them, however, and some changes of terminology might be needed. DOA, in the coroner's vocabulary, means Dead-On-Arrival. But then, AMA (the American Medical Association) just happens to also mean (in the jargon of emergency medicine) Against-Medical-Advice. Everything averages out, somehow. Remember that the amyl homolog (amyl at the 4-position) follows the 4-letter convention of all of the DOM homo-logues, and has the code name of DOAM. Thus, DOA, amino; DOAA, acetamido, and DOAM, amyl.

One must learn to keep one's sense of humor. The immortal humorist Wavy Gravy once said, "If you can't laugh at life, it just isn't funny anymore." The code name of this compound, 2,5-dimethoxy-4-chloroamphetamine is, after, all, DOC. This should certainly appeal to some physicians.

psywel. : 2008-07-26 11:56:36
probably a psychedelic amphetamine like DOM(STP) or DOB
jamesk : 2008-07-25 13:49:45
Getting angry at someone else's ironic comment is a sign of mental weakness. Yes, this is one of those ironic comments. If it makes you angry, seek professional help.
the ironically polite. : 2008-07-25 11:31:29
Please Do Not Bad-mouth the Plants. I'm only saying 'please' to emphasise that I'll kill you unthinkingly and without any remorse for being that disrespectful and unaware of the sacredness of what you just aimed tarnishings towards. You damn trailer-trash skiv. You'd wither up the land around you to tumbleweeds and scrub.
Jenkem Addict. : 2008-07-24 22:48:30
Fuck Salvia when you can have Jenkem. Jenkem all the way!
meister funnyshoes. : 2008-07-24 10:47:30
Why're they really calling it 'molly' paper anyway - is it some MK-ULTRA type of trigger word?
invasion of the grey-alien-mushroom people. : 2008-07-24 10:44:14
DOB / STP is 'The' drug that jump-started the scare stories in the 60s, precisely because it tended to invoke dark trips, and lasted for about three days. That's all well documented. The proverbial 'guy who thought he could fly and walked out a whatever-story window' - is about one actual MK-ULTRA linked event (which is linked to some of the current and recently past US Admin as of now, on some accounts) where someone was dosed unsuspectingly with DOB and proceeded to jump from a high up floor, and died.

DOB might even be 'brown acid'. There are good reports about it, but it's one of those by-no-means-for-beginners not to be taken lightly compounds.

Not that I've memorised the molecular structures - but there does seem to be consistencies with dark-trip effects and otherwise. 2CE for example is meant to be a darker version of 2CB. I've only tried the latter and found it very safe and cheery, so I can tell the info there is accurate. (I briefly just checked on these, and interestingly both 2CB and DOM have a Br. chain presence, and 2CE and DOB do not)

I'm still not sure about anything in the mg range being able to go on blotter though. If that was the case then all psychedelics would have gone on blotter at some point; if it can go on blotter it means it's active in the microdot-size range - so why make larger pills then?

Nowhere Girl. : 2008-07-24 06:54:19
I'm having problems viewing the video... nevertheless, a little comment. I wouldn't pay so much attention to the description of this substance as "more potent than LSD and ecstasy combined". Scare stories about "new" drugs are very often composed this way...
Btw, this description itself doesn't make much sense to me... LSD itself is much more potent than ecstasy both in terms of dosage and psychedelic effects. I believe the author rather wanted to say that the effects are similar to candyflippin'. ;)
NaFun. : 2008-07-23 16:55:42
I've seen DOB on standard blotter paper, and it's a similar dose range.
jamesk : 2008-07-23 13:03:22
A note from Bob Dobbs confirms:

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What that sounds like is DOM, otherwise known as STP.

Never heard of either until recently, when some kids got some DOM at a Rainbow meet in Ocala Nat'l Forest in central FL. Word was they flipped out for three days. Was on paper just like a tab of acid. Not good.
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So where is all the DOM in Fla. coming from? And how do they get 3 mg on blotter?

moll replacement inc. : 2008-07-23 11:44:18
'what is molly paper?'

it's what you fill out when you purchase a companion at bada bing & co.

'hey buddy - you got a license for that moll?'

guest : 2008-07-23 11:27:06
its a DO(x) chemical most likely, maybe bromo-dragonfly. but without a doubt its a research chemical
i ape valis's. : 2008-07-23 10:56:30
Would a dose as large as measured in milligram fit onto a blotter though? LSD is only available on blotter because it is working at microgram levels; otherwise everything kinda smallish in the milligram dose range would also be put onto blotter - then it can be shipped and posted around and so forth with no chance of being caught unless you are incredibly stupid, like the worst smuggler ever.

There are so many different compounds in the tryptamine and phenylethylamine etc range though, there's hundreds of possibilities. It could be a one-off cook-up.

whatsinaname. : 2008-07-23 07:24:49
Sounds like media exaggeration to me. And whoever thought it was DMT needs to do a little more research, or at least try the stuff before making such a baseless suggestion.
:). : 2008-07-22 23:02:23
Sounds like a winner
Silas. : 2008-07-22 20:12:32
I'd put my money on the DOx's like other people said. Could also be one of the dragonfly compounds.
163. : 2008-07-22 18:13:41
video doesnt work,but there is lots of "2cb" running around in scandinavia now, i wanted to try, but its available in a lot of unsavory circles, so I have yet to trust it, also there was a lot of "liquid lsd" around wich was probably some kind of 2xx,from what a few friends tell me they are less mentally taxing and more inclined to open eye halucinations so probably something popular with "candy crowds", a lot of people still steer clear of "lsd" because they think it has some bad stigma, or the "he thought he turned into an orange" kind of myth crap, Ive met dozens of people who want to try or have tried mushrooms or some kind of e-tard thats scared shitless of lsd in particular.ahh fucking fools=D
zebra rapist. : 2008-07-22 17:55:54
i rape zebras
anon. : 2008-07-22 14:30:21
sounds like 5meodmt or any of the synthetic analogues.
NaFun. : 2008-07-22 13:33:18
That news story Chris linked to says it's Shulgin's DOC:
[link]

From the DOC entry in PIHKaL:
"EXTENSIONS AND COMMENTARY: It is clear that the three halo-amphetamine derivatives, DOI, DOB and DOC, are all pretty much of the same potency. And all of them very long lived. The difference between the various halogen atoms was brought up under the 2C-C discussion. DOC is clearly a long-lasting, dyed-in-the-wool psychedelic. "

guest : 2008-07-22 13:31:07
Well here's another source with more info saying that it's DOC: [link]

According to Erowid 3mg is about right for a strong dose which will make things weird for 16-20hrs and then at least a lingering slighty off into the next day.

Takes a while for big city fashions to make their way down to those parts.

guest : 2008-07-22 13:21:04
Considering that the LSD reagent seems to have identified it as LSD it's probably just potent 60s style LSD. Their 3mg/30hours statement makes it sound like DOI/DOB, but frankly I wouldn't trust them on anything they say being fact.
Chris. : 2008-07-22 13:13:28
[link]

No, but this report seems to implicate the Shulgins! Plus some glaze-eyed hairy men seem to think it has been around for years...

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