Salvia dissed on Morning Show with Mike and Juliet

"Why do a few crusaders and a few adverse reactions have to ruin it for the rest of us?"

Because we don't get off our asses and actually go to oppose ban legislation when it counts. Salvia bans fail more than they pass; salvia bans fail every time there is opposition at committee hearings. Salvia is perhaps the easiest psychoactive to argue against prohibiting, but very few choose to do so.

Why is salvia being banned? Because no one cares enough to personally stand against bans at the state committee hearing level. The history of every prohibition movement in the US starts with local and state bans, salvia is no different. Unfortunately, there aren't enough that care about it to do anything, even tactics proven to work over and over again.

Salvia deserves to be illegal because there aren't enough people willing to stand up against bans when and where it counts.

It's too bad we are always going to have the holier than thou pushing their will on everybody else. These people make me sick. And to go on a T.V. show and say the politically correct things and the audience applauding like a bunch of Lemmings is laughable. Isn't that how the Iraqui war got started. If anyone said anything against it, they were labled unpatriotic, when in truth, they were just thinking on their own. Please leave salvia, and the people who choose to use it, alone.

Hold your horses everyone I'm writing a book for kids and adults titled...
"Salvia is NOTHING like LSD"

Hopefully I can get Salvia addicts passing it out in front of schools across the country;)

I definitely don't support an "elitist" approach to psychedelics, consequently I also think that psychedelics and psychoactives in general should be legal. I can easily agree it's not for everyone - but I don't feel AUTHORIZED to forbid anyone to have this experience.
Maybe it's just too bad people think power is about ruling over people, not about using possibilities to make people's lives better.

And the irony continues to pile up; don't these morons know it's a sin to lie? Why do they think they can justify banning any of Creation?

What will they say to God when they're asked who gave them a list of God's mistakes made when He made plants and molecular combinations?

Drugs don't make you attract demons, but if you're already possesed they may well show it up a bit like how dental disclosing tablets show up plaque.

Don't fret if you're scientific-minded; a demon is a bit like a daemon on the internet & in networks - instead of a pre-programmed app or script with instructions, it's a collation of thoughtforms and beliefs that if left in the unexamined mind will hardwire itself to the brain and become part of the core personality.

The comment about the guy on the show there is a good example - in his head, idea-blocks and repeating thoughts about what must have caused him to become an addict, form into their own little entity, which is unleashed by way of explanation for addictions, and also protects itself virus-like from being removed by not allowing any true reasoning through the various issues concerning the addiction.

These anti-drugs people by and large fall into two categories:

liars (they know they are lying, and they do so because they stand to gain selfishly in some way by promoting lies about the substances)

intellectually lazy (they don't bother, or aren't aware of how, to use thinking and reasoning and intuition and evaluation when they form opinions and beliefs about the substances - yet consider themselves Experts)

re: the McKenna view mentioned - that's a somewhat 'Dominator culture' acceptance though. Its accepting that this planet should be dominated by peoples not intelligent enough nor responsible enough to take the substances for beneficial outcomes. There's a big difference between recognising we live in such a world, and holding the belief that it ought to be that way. I will never accept that this world is intended to be dominated by idiots or the weak-minded seeking gurus and the like, and to me anyway all it takes is to behold the majesty of nature to know beyond any doubt that we do not have a backdrop here that supports the domination of ignorance in people.

I understand and to some extent agree that certain types of people taking the substances does indeed ruin the 'levels' they permit access to - I've even read that some shamans think so too. But I don't think that should be the case, and I think the type of reality where these substances are deemed dangerous and illegal is the reason there are anyones extant to begin with that may take the substances and somehow smear the astral or aether with unpleasantness or confusion in so doing.

I think that was the same kind of issues that came up between some of the 60s psychedelics spokesmen - let anyone have access to them vs only allow some to have access to them.

The former works when the society itself is healthy and functions as it ought to; the latter maybe works in stopping some people taking the substances in sub-standard societies that have already failed.

My view is that if you are in some Lodge or similar that deals with making the world a good place to be, then you should be addressing the fact that much of society has already failed instead of taking measures to deal with that by lumping everyone under one set of rules - based upon how much money they have, where they were born, who else they went to school with, and other things they have no choice or control over - and denying them all access to substances legally.

We aren't all the same, not by any measure of means.

The way I'd do it: unless it's directly abusive and harmful (eg - like being a paedo) then it should be allowed. If anyone kicks the arse out of it (eg - uses drugs as a fuel to act up and cause others misery), punish them individually as and when.

Recognize that the opponents of psychedelic use aren't necessarily opposing alkaloids or these specific psychedelics. It is more their support of the ignorant belief that everything in life can split, marginalized, and polarized, that manifests itself in the psychotic behavior of categorizing everything as such.
Very often it begins with their personal failings. It was no surprise to me that doctor in the interview was a former alcoholic. Rather than recognizing his own personal propensity for sinning or the duality and contradictory nature of his existence, he blamed his behavior on alcohol. He took little consideration for the man who took sip after sip after gulp after dry heave. It wasn't HE who was to blame, it was the alcohol. So then it begins... after quitting drinking, he found his life somewhat better in quality objectively, but he wasn't any happier. That must mean something else external to him is to blame... society. Its society's ills that make me unhappy and insecure. Its society that pushed the drink upon me, and its society that threatens my fragile existence. Thus, I must mold society to be a safer haven for people like me who don't want to take responsibility for their self-destructive nature. I must foist my discontent on everyone else, or it will continue to be the bane of my existence.
Look at any person who compartmentalizes everything in life, and very often you find a pattern similar: reformed sinner who wants to "save" the others (in actuality, an addict and a destructive individual who cannot better themselves because they focus their critical energies on everyone else because they're scared, pathetic, children.)

Judging from a quick look at the headlines it seems that Salvia is back in the news cycle this week. It goes through fits and spurts across the newsfeeds, but today it's going off.

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hmm, I think that the fight to legalize psychedelics is pretty pointless, I basically agree with McKenna on this that if you're into psychedelic substances, you don't necessarily want Everyone taking it, you just need the brave and adventureous on the fringe to dose deep and enlighten those who care to listen, far more people use cannabis, and that movemen I think would be a better use of our activist energy.. if you fear salvia will be made illegal soon, stock up, or most likely you'll still be able to find a caring friend who can hook you up in most likelihood ;-)

That is a terrible discussion on that show. Most people people don't even like salvia when they try it. I certained don't want to try it after I read some experience accounts. I would thought if I only saw this show. Really, I bet if that was the first drug someone tried they could be turned off to all drugs for good.

I would like to see a similar discussion on gasoline. It should be banned because some kids used it to get high.(can't believe it's legal!) And also we can be happy without depending on this substance.

That is one cool piece of art...

This is one of the most ignorant descriptions of this drug I have ever seen. These are the kind of articles that make me so infuriated with the media industry. Why even waste money on these "exploratory" discussion pieces such as this when a predetermined opinion has been determined. The doctor especially uses selective information about the drugs. I haven't been more angry at the news since the War on Terror's beginnings.

The main reason psychedelics and drugs in general are illegal is because of temperance movements, concerned parents, and the general agreement is that drug use and "expanding the mind" is seditious, promotes demon thinking, and is bad for society. Along the way it became politically expediant to demonize drugs for society's ills (like immigrants, gays, etc.) to become a viable candidate for political office. LSD and the whole hippie backlash pretty much sealed the deal, with Congressmen in Washington wringing their hands while nice white kids who were supposed to go to war or college instead went to San Francisco to do drugs and have orgies. Can't have that...

(Salvia has a typo on the title.)
I agree. Getting into these realms myself, I wonder: Why exactly are these things illegal? I mean, I can understand not wanting people to physically endanger themselves, but what protection do we have against that in every day life? I mean, what if someone decides to spend all their money on lottery tickets and then commits suicide b/c they're depressed about losing money. We don't outlaw lottery tickets. People should be free to ingest anything they want, for any reason. I strongly feel that the real reason these drugs are illegal (or becoming illegal) is that they allow people to see beyond the illusion. That's dangerous to governments. So we have to keep fighting for freedom.