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Alleged killer claims memory was blanked with Ketamine

While this is certainly not my favorite type of story to report on, there is an interesting development in a rape/murder trial where the defendant says he cannot remember anything about the night of the attack because he was way too high on alcohol and ketamine. This may all be bunk to avoid a death sentence, but it does bring up an interesting legal point. Here's some of the deliberation from an recent news article:

Court heard Huppie had several drinks, plus an unknown quantity of marijuana, ecstasy, cocaine and ketamine the night the woman was attacked.

Dryden said it would be possible under the effects of a low dose of ketamine to perform complex physical functions, carry on basic conversation, but not have a memory of it, because the drug shuts down the memory processing centre of the brain.

“This is not true amnesia, forgetfulness of events, but rather a failure of memory to form, and is consistent with the lack of memory claimed by Mr. Huppie over the events of the latter part of the evening and night in question,” he said.

A “recreational dose” of ketamine is about 200 mg. Huppie has testified he and three others shared two grams of ketamine. Higher doses of ketamine, such as into the 750 mg range, would have put Huppie into a coma.

“It’s used as an anaesthetic,” he said. “They feel no pain, they retain a degree of consciousness.”

Under cross-examination, Dryden said if Huppie was peaking on ketamine, he would have been physically numb – a point the Crown cross-examined him on given the evidence he had forced sex with the victim.

“Touch is one of the first senses to go,” he said of a ketamine trip.

He added if someone is having intercourse and realizing they have had it, the effects of ketamine are likely gone or wearing off.

Now I'm not a fancy big city lawyer, but I do know a thing or two about Ketamine and sex. It is possible, you just don't feel it. Also, rational inhibition is wiped out, so things tend to get a little primal. If the defendant did take a large dose of K I believe he may have no memory of the event, but the same can be said with high doses of alcohol or low doses of ether where the rational forebrain is knocked out while the primal body keeps looking for action. This brings up an interesting legal point when trying to assess motivation for crimes committed in this state. I'm not saying drug blackouts excuse horrible acts like rape and murder, but it does demonstrate the horror and senselessness of self-induced psychotic episodes gone bad. If you leave your body, who's in charge?

Posted By jamesk at 2008-08-02 13:58:07 permalink | comments
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jamesk : 2008-08-07 12:58:17
An article came out today alleging that the killer had pre-existing brain damage, or fetal-alcohol syndrome, which made him prone to impulsive behavior. Okay... Link">[link]
there's two kinds of people.... : 2008-08-06 12:35:27
rational inhibition is indeed wiped out, but like mike said - what emerges is the real person that is actually inside all that society-faked inhibition. Drugs and drink just bring out the real you. And sometimes that real person is someone that can be easily led, used, doesn't care about consequences.........the thing is: some people only have what can be termed a conscience because they are programed by 'society' to act a certain way in certain circumstances, but others of us have that conscience naturally - so it doesn't disappear just because we get high.
gg. : 2008-08-04 06:41:25
>rational inhibition is wiped out<
nicely put, and very much true. you lose connection with any particular timestream, and the idea of consequences seems almost irrelevant, i.e., from here, you're basically a complete sociopath. who's holding the other end of the leash?
mike. : 2008-08-03 18:56:07
the tendencies were still there, and he allowed them to play out but putting himself in that state, regardless of how he experienced it at the time he's one hundred percent guilty, when Im on K I couldnt hurt a fly, I love everything with more gentlessness than I could ever muster when my ego is around
guest : 2008-08-03 17:41:25
I think you're responsible either way.

What surprises me is that he could keep it up on K. The last time I tried to do it on K, I could only keep it up for like 5 minutes

sounds like a jekyl and hyde. : 2008-08-03 13:38:00
Additionally, we all know that Ketamine makes 'you' leave your body - so why take it in social surrounds in the first place. With all those other drugs.....the thing is; is this meant to be a one-off as well? Or does he always go that way and just got caught that time? I have to agree too - that same excuse can be used just with being drunk. It could well be true that he really doesn't remember it but all means is that whoever was puppeting his body - as usual - doesn't get the blame. Just the chump that thinks possessions aren't possible.
Tbolt. : 2008-08-03 13:26:28
That is one hell of a cocktail. Without a doubt I believe he is fully responsible and should be hit with murder. His lack of memory of the events have no bearing on the fact that he still killed someone. Is it really surprising that reckless drug use can lead to this sort of crime?
Chris. : 2008-08-02 16:37:23
I'm all for leaving the body, but when you are in it someone responsible should be in charge... Given the mixture of drugs he took (which might not have fucked him up so bad if he'd laid off the drink) is it any surprise that something bad happened? 5 drugs forcing him in 5 completely different directions...

Surely this is manslaughter? However, if such drugs are perceived as catalysts for true intent, then this would be murder, but surely the law profession haven't the foggiest about the real psychological actions of such substances?

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