Forget Salvia, what about Lion's Tail?

I bought some Cloud 10 Ultra incense mixed it with salvia and smoked it. Talk about a trip. It drags out that feeling u get with salvia for like 4 hours. I tripped balls. One hit and held it. Thats all you need.

not a noob, if you like pot, then you should look for K2 or whatever, I don't know. K2 sounds chemically, so be careful, but you'll see some people giving it passable reviews.

Salvia is totally different from pot. I don't recommend it at all, and I think that anybody that recommends it is probably into freaky stuff or on some sort of "I'm a magician apprentice/healer in the fifth dimension" kick. Don't do it if you just want to chill and get high.

Seriously, checking out salvia in your sort of situation is like thinking "getting sexy with some hot good lover" would be awesome, but then settling for a "crazy-ass divorce where my spouse has all kinds of playing cards lawyers I never even heard of" kind of weird poker mind-game. Salvia is NOT as chill or buoyant as pot.

How is Salvia 20x? I am not new to pot, but no means smoke it regularly, mainly because of legal issues and I have kids. I have tried extending my pot w/oregeno! Yeah sounds stupid, but for someone who still gets high on one pipe, it worked, a little. So salvia and Lions tail, with a little other stuff? Does that work?

I live on a military base, so mary jane is a no for me. Ive been trying to create my own "blend". I started out trying damiana. then i added some mugwort to the blend. not much success except a mild relaxation. so this batch, I mixed damiana, mugwort, lions tail, blue lotus...i also add Damiana and other extracts. i also add synthetic cannabanoids. at night, I mix passionflower into the blend to help sleep. for those who are in my situation and hate the way this stuff tastes :(.....if you put your herbs in a jar, then take any kind of lemon peel, or berries, wrap them in a cheese cloth and hang it under the sealed lid, it will flavour the herbs. (i think mugwort is discusting). however, im not 100% on how long you seal it, but the idea is, seal it 8 hrs, then unseal for 3, then 8 again....
so im feeling satisfied with my blend. honsestly, even w/out adding the cannabanoids.

yea.. I'm more than 100% sure lions tail does not provide a high. I have smoked it the orange petals. I'm not a teenager ether. Maybe some extract would work. idk. But, I think most people (with in legal highs) smoke things like spice, pep pourri, or stuff like lucid. But, those are all just herbs sprayed with chemicals, -synthetic cannabinoids made in a lab. The stuff probably causes tumors Lol. I wouldn't smoke it to much that's for sure.

JEBUS!! @TyYoung i must of tried the x5 does all i felt was a little melting and small amount of visuals you must of tried the 20x i had never came close to those visuals sounds interesting tho saliva is def something you can do everyday like weed, also doesnt last that long

For everyone who claims to not have had a strong Salvia experience, you may want to read some instructions on how to use it. Personally, my first experience was hectic. My friend turned into an elephant, my room caught on fire, and my bed turned into a cave... And after the five-ten minute hallucinations I had a pleasant high feeling for the next two/three hours. For being on probation because of illegal usage of pot, this was a good way to get a high. Also, a lot of attention has been drawn by Blue Lotus, Mugwort, and Sinicuichi. I myself have used Sinicuichi, it wasn't that much of a high as it was calming, but still nice.

One note on the Salvia, it sometimes causes a lot of pent up aggression to rise up and kind of try and force its way out of you. (Any users should understand what I'm trying to say...)

I just smoked a pretty good amount of this stuff, and it was pretty nice buzz. If you want this shit to really work you need to smoke lions ear or 25x extract. this can be purchased at the site iamshaman.

I just smoked a pretty good amount of this stuff, and it was pretty nice buzz. If you want this shit to really work you need to smoke lions ear or 25x extract. this can be purchased at the site iamshaman.

I remember a druggie friend of mind scored salvia at his dealers place before we went out to hit a skate spot. He said his dealer said it enhances any drug you take with it in tandem by 4x, supposedly as a empathogen. But you cant take it with alchohol because it messes up your vision. This was 1990-91ish. So we'll see how long it takes for this hype to get out. The psychoactive effects are one part ritual and one part expectation. Yes, respect the plant though.

to Defamir37, just because salvia was not an intense experience for you does not mean it isn't for the majority. I have personally tried this substance numerous times and it is a very powerful experience, up there with lsd and psilocybin. A different experience, but very powerful and of course the duration is significantly shorter.

salvia is not that intense of a high. I've smoked a bunch of different strengths and the only thing i got out of it was music was sick. mix it with 2/3rds of a bowl of good pot in a bong though and you've got a good thing going. It makes it seem like the very short effect of salvia last longer and it makes it way more intense. And those looking for legal highs look up how to prepare morning glory seeds....good stuff man.

Salvia is not a "marijuana substitute." Salvia is an intense psycho-active substance that shatters every perception of reality. There's a large difference between a light fuzzy high and an ego shattering experience. Don't let misconceptions and stupid teenagers place a stigma in your mind, Salvia is a teacher plant, and should be treated as such. Respect, responsible use, mad, mad times.

I have yet to try Lion's Tail or HBW, but have tried Kratom. I didn't get the real potent extracts so I couldn't tell you how good it is or not, but the lower concentration ones only tasted like crap, ruined my pipe, and didn't do squat for me. I also tried boiling it down to make my own extract tea and it was too unbearably bitter. Not really recommended.

However, on the other hand, San Pedro cactus is a great LEGAL alternative to Peyote or Mescaline. You can probably buy a good sized one at a local nursury for 15-20 bucks. Just make sure not to use the skin. It's believed to be the culprit for the initial puking part. lol. After that it's all gravy.

The mild nature of legal pyschoactives?
3 words: Hawaiian. Baby. Woodrose.

Wild dagga is bunk ass crap.

Lions tail has very mild effects. Even smoked as the dried acetone extract. Excellent garden plant though!

I say it'll be kava kava. (In which case, good luck with that 'cause even my local health food store sells kava in tea form).

Oddly enough, I recall once having had a dream about stopping in to a head shop and seeing cool metal Indian-style pipes for sale, along with something called "elephant aggar". Dagga would have to be about the closest name to that I could ever find, and I still have yet to try any.

"The orange flowers are what you smoke."
I have smoked the orange flowers -- provided to me by a friend who grows the plant and assured me that they were of the "highest quality" -- but I noticed no effect.

Concerning the "mild" nature of legal psychoactives: I would have to disagree that kava-kava is necessarily mild. Drank in quantities that are representative of its indigenous use, it can be quite strong (at least as "strong" as alcohol, although I feel uncomfortable with the comparison, as the effects are different).

Re dagga extracts: It seems possible that an extract could be psychoactive (I've never tried one). But I still maintain that the herb itself, as it comes from he plant, isn't worth the bother.

The only wild dagga "product" my lab rat has tried is a 30x extract, which was certainly psychoactive. Mr Squeaky reckoned it was a lot like cannabis but much more clear headed.

People often smoke the leaves which taste horrible and have less activity. The orange flowers are what you smoke. It def has noticeable stoney effects. Also gets the blood flowing so it's good for boners. An extract might be interesting. Aside from their use as a smoking herb they happen be very trippy-looking flowers and easy to grow. Also, I've heard Kratom starts getting psychedelic at the more concentrated extracts (100X for example).

I don't think they're going to go much further- Salvia is ridiculously hardcore for a legal entheogen. almost everything, like kava kava, kratom, lotus, calea, the aforementioned lions tale, are very mild. i think this is about the limit for what theyll do

i tried some of this stuff and it was totally lame. it had a pretty color but there was no intoxication of any level and the flavor of it was like smoking old rope or cardboard. i just threw it away.

The problem with Lion's tail is that it is about as effective of an intoxicant as banana peels. Of course, this doesn't mean that it won't be outlawed (ah, gotta love democracy), but it would seem pretty unlikely.

It may be a "common marijuana substitute" (ah, gotta love capitalism); what isn't common for someone to attempt the substitution twice. The only people I know who have gotten marijuana-like effects are, believe it or not, people who have mixed it with marijuana. Imagine that.

I think the next on the list will be kratom. So far "internet marketers" have only been interested in salvia and kratom (y'know, setting up a generic online store with a massively hyped up product description, mentioning it's the next best thing since pot). The more esoteric herbs like wild dagga, blue lotus, amanita muscaria, etc haven't attracted the wrong attention yet.