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Tucson shooting suspect used Salvia

I saw rumors linking Salvia to the Tuscon shootings circulating last week, and now the New York times has run with it. It seems more than odd that this happened so quickly after the whole explosion in Salvia awareness thanks to Miley Cyrus. This feels like the 1960s all over again. I smell a federal ban coming.

No one has suggested that his use of a hallucinogenic herb or any other drugs contributed to Jared L. Loughner’s apparent mental unraveling that culminated with his being charged in a devastating outburst of violence here.

Yet it is striking how closely the typical effects of smoking the herb, Salvia divinorum -- which federal drug officials warn can closely mimic psychosis -- matched Mr. Loughner’s own comments about how he saw the world, like his often-repeated assertion that he spent most of his waking hours in a dream world that he had learned to control.

Salvia is a potent but legal drug marketed with promises of producing a transcendental spiritual journey: out-of-body experiences, existence in multiple realities, the revelation of secret knowledge and, according to one online seller, "permanent mind-altering change in perception."

Mr. Loughner, 22, was at one point a frequent user of the plant, also known as diviner’s sage, which he began smoking while in high school during a time in which he was also experimenting with marijuana, hallucinogenic mushrooms and other drugs, according to friends. Mental health professionals warn that drug use can both aggravate and mask the onset of mental illness.

"He always had it on him," said George Osler IV, whose son, Zach, was good friends with Mr. Loughner in high school. It is unclear when Mr. Loughner last used the drug.

[Thanks Barnaby!]

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guest : 2011-02-27 10:44:26
This is a nasty plant, and I think it could seriously mess up an already troubled person with repeated use. My only experience with it was horror, I wouldnt touch it again if you paid me a billion dollars. This is some evil plant, some bizzarre mutation, it really shouldn't exist from a botanical view.
Kyle K.. : 2011-01-20 19:05:34
People, I beg you to take this to heart:

Salvia Divinorum is an empathogen with the capability of awakening humans to our true nature, our Oneness as a species. We could end the hatred between each other, all wars being pointless acts of suicide, if we would only realize, we are one. This herb is one that can awaken that innermost truth... to ban it is a crime against humanity, a roadblock in our evolution as a world culture.

OK... Hear me out.

Salvia Divinorum has been used for Thousands of years by the Mazatec Indians of Mexico, to help heal their people and communicate with the spirit world for the benefit of their tribe. We as Americans pay no mind to those using Salvia here for the same responsible and legitimate reasons. Many of us are simply looking for answers to explain certain individual's behavior (like the Tucson shootings), while the story runs much deeper than we know. Let us not be afraid of the earth's Gifts to us. Instead let us Love each other enough to recognize when someone is having a problem, and help them find their way along the path we face together.

No matter how our beliefs may differ, we may all find a piece of "God" within ourselves, and recognize it in others. It is our human right, and necessary for our survival.

Sincerely,

and for the All.

bill. : 2011-01-20 13:23:32
"his often-repeated assertion that he spent most of his waking hours in a dream world that he had learned to control."

Am I the only person who finds it unsurprising that he was a regular salvia user (at some point, at least)? This, and some of the other out-there quotes, seems to match the stuff I read in faqs and at the online shop I was using when I was researching salvia (the first time I used it, it had been simply added as a bonus sample in a shipment of something else I had bought.).

I think it is noteworthy and worth reporting, not because salvia makes killers (look at the numbers that don't kill, and consider how many people are drunk when they kill, etc.) but because the dude was saying some crazy disjointed stuff. And some of the bits of it that make any kind of sense end up sort of reading like part of a salvia faq from a few years ago.

I would be surprised if he himself didn't feel that salvia was a part of his special way of perceiving the world--how would he, a regular user, de-link the salvia experience (and how he had been programmed to process it) from having that sort of outlook?

I'm with Chris on this as much as anything, except I suspect that Salvia probably didn't help things--there's probably conflicting 'research', but I wouldn't reflexively discount what the article's unnamed "mental health professionals" say about Salvia sometimes masking or aggravating mental illness.

motley. : 2011-01-20 11:32:11
the reactionary colunmist at The Daily Mail peter Hitchens is certain the culprit was marijuanna!
Paul. : 2011-01-19 22:05:25
The New York Times will seize upon any opportunity to advance the drug war. Remember--they're not really liberal, they are just for the advancement of the state.

They can't go bankrupt fast enough for me.

wystri. : 2011-01-19 19:41:30
"Gun owners have a constitutional amendment on their side... drug users don't."

well, if we were to get technical, the right to use drugs should be included in the "pursuit of happiness" part...but i guess that's not specific enough for the corporate overlords.

Chris. : 2011-01-19 18:16:42
My feeling is that if he is/was a frequent user of Salvia, any psychological problems were likely present prior to his use. It takes twisted discipline to make a habit out of that experience.
Nowhere Girl. : 2011-01-19 16:58:48
Much weider than most news (and information generally) on psychedelics. On the one hand those very non-scary fragments like "existence in multiple realities" (for me it sounds like the author knows it from more than just Wikipedia) and on the other hand all the standard... they only forgot the word "psychotomimetic".
If salvia indeed does have any relationship to the Tucson shooting, Loghner must have simply suffered some long-term negative effects. "Spent most of his waking hours in a dream" - salvia doesn't act that long. But they don't say it.

Btw, last year, before a popular-scientific event called Brain Week (here in Poland), one of the speakers gave an interview about legal highs. She said quite much about salvia (at that point already illegal and not sold in smart shops) and gave another story linking salvia to violence: she said that some boy, while under the influence, took his father's rifle and shot his friend or maybe brother. No details at all and as no other sources relate the story, it's most likely a hoax... but often it seems to me some people are deliberately trying to find this kind of "evidence".

dt. : 2011-01-19 12:32:17
Gun sales spiked after the shooting because of fears of a ban. Gun owners have a constitutional amendment on their side... drug users don't. I finished my stash of Salvia last month and wasn't planning on buying more, but now it's starting to look like a good idea...
dt. : 2011-01-19 12:26:52
Hopefully this article is just a bad dream....

Isn't condemning a drug for supposedly having effects similar to the way a killer saw the world just like condemning a book for having ideas similar to those of the killer? If we're not banning every book Loughner ever read that society doesn't approve of, then why should we ban every drug he ever used that we don't approve of?

Dr Philippe K Fenderson, KSC, ASL. : 2011-01-18 19:14:00
Salvia is a potent but legal drug marketed with promises of producing a transcendental spiritual journey: out-of-body experiences, existence in multiple realities, the revelation of secret knowledge and, according to one online seller, "permanent mind-altering change in perception."

That's some quality reporting right there.

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